The truth about Saddam's WMDs (from a reliable source)

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2006/2/26

The truth about Saddam's WMDs (from a reliable source)

@ 04:51 PM (31 months, 28 days ago)

Saddam had weapons of mass destruction. There is no denying it. He had them. He actively hid them and deceived the U.N. insepctors. He had plans involving biological, chemical and nuclear weapons. And I have this information on very good authority. Saddam Hussein said it himself.

While the whitehousepresscorp was busy being offended over Dick Cheney's failure to send out personally engraved press releases regarding the Whittington hunting accident, some of us in America were paying more attention to the taped discussions of Saddam and his 'cabinet' than the events on the Armstrong ranch. Turns out the dictator recorded hours and hours worth of chats he had with his comrades and those recorded conversations are darn enlightening.

Where did all of these WMDs go? According to John Shaw, former deputy undersecretary of Defense, they were moved into Syria and Lebanon. But not without help. Just ask the Russians.

Interesting isn't it that the "Bush lied" liberals in this country have gone suddenly mute. What ought to be a fiery backlash against the anti-war left seems not to have engendered the fury of Americans. Personally, I can't figure how so many who were misled with misinformation aren't more upset. If I'd bought into the Bush the Prevaricator doctrine - I'd be really p****d right now! But, heh, that's just me.

Read it for yourself:

Newsmax

BP News confirms Saddam's obsession

and even (with a little spin) ABC

For even more excitement type "Saddam Hussein tapes" into your search engine and download the powerpoint presentation from the Intelligence Summit.

Comment(s) »

What? A UN appointed inspector incompetent?

Hans Blix wrong?

Comment by C-Mom— 2006/02/28 @ 07:31 AM — (Reply)
Vote Ron Paul and get us out of the UN.

Comment by Dugg— 2008/01/23 @ 08:09 AM — (Reply)
Whatever the truth about Saddam... He is pure evil... Who would want in the right mind, to kill millions of people for his personal obsession... He must be crazy....

Comment by Buick Regal Motor Mount— 2008/01/22 @ 08:52 PM — (Reply)
I have to agree with you on that Regal. The conspiracy theorists re: Iraq are disingenuous because they profess to be deeply concerned about protecting human rights elsewhere but now pretend that human rights were being trampled by Saddam. It is absolute duplicity virtually worthy of Hillary.

BG

Comment by Barry G.— 2008/01/23 @ 08:35 AM — (Reply)
those types of liberals only scream out about the MSM when its convient and serves thier needs.

Comment by aza spade— 2008/01/23 @ 05:54 AM — (Reply)
the rest of the time they are saying not to believe what the MSM says. so which is it ???? I ask.

Comment by aza spade— 2008/01/23 @ 05:56 AM — (Reply)
Excuse me, but what a lame joke. This is a sick attempt to justify an unconstitutional war based on lies. Unkown thousands dead for nothing more than a bunch of greedy old bastards needing a couple more billion. Whatever Iraq had - it was ZERO danger to you or America. Let Israel fight her own wars - we already have armed her to the teeth. It is not our job, responsibility or right to interfere - let alone to make up lies as an excuse to murder people for oil.
Iraq, Iran - it's all a joke. They have no way of seriously threatening us at all. EVEN if they had a nuke it couldn't reach us. And even if they had one that could (and they don't) if they ever used it we have thousands we could fire back. They would literally never exist again. It is totally ridiculous to use WMD as the threat we need to have as an excuse to invade.

Our kids are dying to fight for Israel.

Comment by Dugg— 2008/01/23 @ 06:05 AM — (Reply)
Iran will someday solve its "DELIVERY PROBLEMS" all muslims desire the elimination of American Infidels . NO comprimise is acceptable .

Comment by aza spade— 2008/01/23 @ 06:33 AM — (Reply)
Yeah, well Israel desires the end of Palestine - has them walled off with little food or medical supplies and uses them for target practice whenever they feel like it. The Jewish owned media won't talk about that, though. They are all only refered to as terrorists. Why aren't we coming to their aid - or to the people in Sudan - or a hundred other places? Are we the United States of Israel now?

Comment by Dugg— 2008/01/23 @ 08:07 AM — (Reply)
Bush made 935 false statements about Iraq.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080123/ap_on_go_pr_wh/misinformation_study

Either he's retarded or a liar. The 935 doesn't even count the things the other bloodsuckers like Cheney & Rice said.

Comment by Dugg— 2008/01/23 @ 07:49 AM — (Reply)
wait - I guess it did include them - but in only the 2 year period where they lied us into the war. Think of the thousands of lies since then. TRAITORS.

Comment by Dugg— 2008/01/23 @ 07:52 AM — (Reply)
why not Israel, it's the only democracy besides Turkey in the region.

and from personal experience (my little trip to Iraq) besides the 500 artilleray shells with sarin in them we found plenty of WMD....it was manufactured by some of our allies....think Eifel Tower

Comment by Elmers Brother— 2008/01/23 @ 08:47 AM — (Reply)
artillery

Comment by Elmers Brother— 2008/01/23 @ 08:48 AM — (Reply)
besides Dugg you just got done telling me that sometimes one has to "lie" because it justifies the end

which is it?

Comment by Elmers Brother— 2008/01/23 @ 08:49 AM — (Reply)
Truth, honor and the American way. The lie is the exception to the rule - not the rule. 935!

Comment by Dugg— 2008/01/23 @ 09:50 AM — (Reply)
so how do you justify the rule that Pallywood lies all the time and people die?

why do equivocate when it comes to them?

Comment by Elmers Brother— 2008/01/23 @ 10:50 AM — (Reply)
Because Pallyworld or whatever you call it doesn't control my tv, radio and newspaper - but the zionist do.

Comment by Dugg— 2008/01/23 @ 11:14 AM — (Reply)
where do you draw the line dugg? When does the exception become the rule? 100...2000...you're the king of moral relativism here

Comment by Elmers Brother— 2008/01/23 @ 10:59 AM — (Reply)
Nah, I would never think of taking your crown. I just know it's not right to lie 935 X to get people to go kill and have tens of thousands die because of your lies. No matter how you spin it.

Comment by Dugg— 2008/01/23 @ 11:15 AM — (Reply)
dugg are you a fan of david duke?

i'm not spinning it

you are

Comment by elmers brother— 2008/01/23 @ 12:06 PM — (Reply)
Your pulling the racist card? I follow Jesus, Elmer. He was a jew, so obviously I don't hate jews. The truth sometimes isn't what we want - but it's still the truth. I love America, too - but that doesn't mean I turn a blind eye to her crimes. My remarks are hardly racist, just factual.
Jews own the vast majority of all papers, networks, movie studios, magazines and just about every other way you hear any news. They make up 4% of our population. That is a fact that shouldn't make me a hater for stating. They obviously print and tell Israel's side of every story. There are two sides to every story, Elmer, but we only ever hear one. I repeat, I don't hate anyone for their nationality, but governments suck. And theirs SUCKS bigtime.

Comment by Dugg— 2008/01/23 @ 05:07 PM — (Reply)
two major media companies

Time Warner and Newsmedia which own most cable networks etc are not owned or run by Jews

I'm not playing the race card I'm trying to find out how you feel and the rhetoric you are using is verbatim from some hate groups

I'm asking honestly

I understand how you feel about the government there are things I don't like either

Can you provide a source for you assertion that the media is run by Jews? Someplace that is not racist or David Duke like?

Comment by Elmers Brother— 2008/01/23 @ 05:41 PM — (Reply)
Because Pallyworld or whatever you call it doesn't control my tv, radio and newspaper - but the zionist do.

So as long as it doesn't bother you - it's okay?

more moral relativism

This last remark is pretty racist there bubb...

are you a racist?

Comment by Elmers Brother— 2008/01/23 @ 12:11 PM — (Reply)
By the way, as you are aware, Palestinians are semetic. The whole anti-semetic smear is a pathetic shout down against anyone who dares utter the truth.

Comment by Dugg— 2008/01/23 @ 05:08 PM — (Reply)
Are you racist/anti-semetic against Palestinians?

Comment by Dugg— 2008/01/23 @ 05:19 PM — (Reply)
see following comment

Comment by Elmers Brother— 2008/01/23 @ 05:28 PM — (Reply)
it would be anti semitic if they are of Arab descent and if I hated Arabs

I don't hate Arabs...I hate the behavior...you know hate the sin not the sinner

Comment by Elmers Brother— 2008/01/23 @ 05:44 PM — (Reply)
and there are Arab Jews and Arab Christians

Comment by Elmers Brother— 2008/01/23 @ 05:48 PM — (Reply)
I'm not anti Palestinian I'm anti terrorist

I bet there are more atheists, Christians etc in the movie making business then there are Jews

and just because there are Jews in an industry does not mean they control it

Murdoch is a Christian

Parson (Time Warner) is not a Jew

I'm not against the Palestinians...I'm against those Palestinians who shoot missiles into Israel and use false claims of the IDF shooting children to justify murder and terrorism and people who apologize for such behavior

who is shouting you down? I'm asking you to clarify your remark

you're using the same rhetoric that those groups do so who wouldn't want to know where you stand

I mean everything you say is based on the The Protocols of the Elders of Zion....an antiSemitic, Antizionist and conspiracy theory pamphlet.....

How do you feel about "the Protocols"

Comment by Elmers Brother— 2008/01/23 @ 05:27 PM — (Reply)
Stormfront, the Nation of Islam and other racist organizations propagates this same lie about the media and the Jews

and if the Jews controlled the media why did the perpetrate the lie of Al-dura?

The myth that Jews control America's media (a specialisation of the Jews control the media myth) is often behind the Jews Control America myth. The US racist magazine "National Vanguard" says that "Jewish control of the American mass media is the single most important fact of life, not just in America, but in the whole world today". It lists American "Jews" (some of whom aren't even Jewish, other aren't American) in all sorts of position in the America's media and claims this as proof of Jews control of America's media. A similar claim could be made that women control the media in America, people with blue eyes control the media in America or that those with red hair control the media in America. All of course nonsense, just liek the claim that Jews control the Media or that Jews control America.

Comment by Elmers Brother— 2008/01/23 @ 12:37 PM — (Reply)
If it's a lie that Jews control the media then who does control it, Elmer? The Swiss? Open your eyes and just read the credits to any show or movie - acted by, produced, directed by 99% jews - who I reiterate make up 4% of our population. I'm not saying that makes them evil - I'm saying that they control what news goes out and public opinion - and it ALWAYS favors Israel.

Comment by Dugg— 2008/01/23 @ 05:12 PM — (Reply)
again if this were the case why does the MSM time after time continue to beleaguer the supposed atrocities put upon the Palestinians by the Israelis?

did you see the fake stories Reuters was putting out last year during the Israeli/Lebanon conflict?

Did you see green helmet guy? I believe it was bloggers who outted that guy...not the MSM

Comment by Elmers Brother— 2008/01/23 @ 05:37 PM — (Reply)
No. I flat out stated that I don't think they are evil. Blacks do make up 99% of the NFL - is that rasict? It is ridiculous to say stating the obvious is racist.

The big difference in our analogies is that anyone can act, direct or produce no matter what their background - but most are not allowed to break in to the little racist club.

Sports on the other hand takes the best atheletes. Period. And you notice the ownership of football is hardly black.

Comment by Dugg— 2008/01/23 @ 07:19 PM — (Reply)
well dugg your analogy would make sense if everyone in show biz was a jew but they aren't nor have you shown that they control anything which is why the analogy fits...if there happen to be a lot of jews in show business does not mean they control it nor does it mean they control the news media

your contention is that if they control the media then they control what we see and hear therefore what? that it's good?

Comment by Elmers Brother— 2008/01/23 @ 08:41 PM — (Reply)
just read the credits to any show or movie - acted by, produced, directed by 99% jews - who I reiterate make up 4% of our population.

if this were true it would be like saying because there are more blacks in professional sports they control the NFL

the implication is that you consider them evil

Comment by Elmers Brother— 2008/01/23 @ 06:34 PM — (Reply)
HUMMMMMM very interesting

Comment by aza spade— 2008/01/23 @ 07:09 PM — (Reply)
do you believe the Jews control the banks too?

Comment by Elmers Brother— 2008/01/23 @ 12:54 PM — (Reply)
No, the polish do. Who do you think controls the banks, Elmer? Guys named Rothchilds? That don't sound Irish.

Comment by Dugg— 2008/01/23 @ 05:13 PM — (Reply)
No offense Dugg, but listen to yourself. Your racism towards Jews is Lindberg like (notice since you are my pal no Hitler or Nazi reference is being made).

Don't be like Hillary who is blatantly injecting racism into the current Presidential race. You are way better than that.

BG

Comment by Barry G.— 2008/01/23 @ 02:44 PM — (Reply)
BTW - Hitler's mother was a jew. That makes him a jew, too.

Comment by Dugg— 2008/01/23 @ 07:20 PM — (Reply)
So what does that have to do with say.......................YOU?

BG

Comment by Barry G.— 2008/01/23 @ 07:28 PM — (Reply)
Nothing except that things aren't always the way they seem and you guys want to paint me as something I'm clearly not. I just got the balls to tell it like I see it - but I don't hate anyone. You ought to know that by now.
Well, maybe hate for the secret satanist who run the world - but not for like people.

Comment by Dugg— 2008/01/23 @ 08:39 PM — (Reply)
a lot of jews in america are liberal atheists and make up the largest critics of Israel

Dugg do you believe the Protocols of Zion are correct? It mentions the Free Masons, Illuminati and the Jews wanting to make a one world government....it sounds strangely familiar

From Wikipedia:

The Protocols of the Elder of Zion is an antisemitic and anti-Zionist plagiarism and literary forgery first published in 1903 in Russian, in Znamya; it alleges a Jewish and Masonic plot to achieve world domination.

"The Protocols" (the briefest title by which the text is known) is an early example of contemporary conspiracy theory literature, and takes the form of a speech describing how to dominate the world, the need to control the media, finance, replace traditional social order, etc. It is one of the best known and discussed examples of literary forgery, and a hoax.

The 24 Protocols are posited as instructions to a new Elder, outlining how the group will control the world. The Elders want to trick all "gentile nations", whom they call "goyim", into doing their will. Their preferred methods include:

Protocol Theme
1 Alcoholism, Annihilation of the privileges of the non-Jewish aristocracy, among other topics.[citation needed]
2, 9, 12 The propagation of ideas, such as Darwinism, Marxism, Nietzsche-ism, Liberalism, Socialism, Communism, Anarchism, and Utopianism, with the task of undermining established forms of order.
4 Materialism
5 World government
7 World wars
10 Staging catastrophes against one's own people, then claiming a moral high ground for leverage
11 Universal suffrage
11, 12, 17 Curtailment of civil liberties with the excuse of defeating the enemies of peace
13 Creating the impression of the existence of freedom of press, freedom of speech, human rights and democracy, all of which are subsequently undermined and become mere illusions or deceptive smokescreens behind which actual oppression lies
14 Distractions
14, 17 Pornographic literature
16 The destruction of Christianity, Islam and other religions and cultures, followed by a transitional stage of atheism, followed finally by the hegemony of Judaism
20 Brainwashing
21 Economic depressions
22 Undermining financial systems by foreign loans, creating national bankruptcy, destroying Money Markets and replacing them with government credit institutions
23 Justification of previous acts of evil and expectation of a great new society
24 Reduction of the manufacture of articles of luxury, destruction of large manufacturers, prohibition of alcohol and hashish, unleashing forces of violence under the mask of principles of freedom, only to have the 'King of the Jews' demolish those very forces to make him appear a saviour
25 Training of the king, direct heirs, irreproachability of exterior morality of the King of the Jews

Control of the media and finance would replace the traditional sources of social order with one based on mass manipulation and state engineered propaganda, where powerful elites and institutions conspire to conceal unpalatable truths from the masses. In these respects, the Protocols draws on long-standing criticisms of modernity, radicalism and capitalism, but presents them as part of an orchestrated plot, rather than as a product of impersonal historical processes.

The text assumes that the reader already believes that the Freemasons are a secret society with a hidden political agenda, and the Protocols purports to demonstrate that this hidden agenda is itself controlled or guided by the 'Elders', a sort of conspiracy theory within a conspiracy theory. In the Protocols, Freemasons and "liberal thinkers" are shown to be mere tools that the Elders will eventually replace with a Jewish theocracy. The Protocols describes a forthcoming "kingdom" and goes into great lengths about how it will be run. Yet even in this kingdom the Elders will avoid direct political control, preferring to assert themselves via usury and manipulation of money. Even the "King of the Jews" himself will be nothing more than a figurehead.

Comment by Elmers Brother— 2008/01/23 @ 08:38 PM — (Reply)
I know if I say I believe it your going to link to 100 sites that say it's bogus. Instead of asking me if I believe that a small group of elite, zionist, racist fanatics who think everyone else are goyim are capable of doing that - ask yourself wether or not it is happening right under your nose.

Comment by Dugg— 2008/01/23 @ 08:51 PM — (Reply)
No I just want to know if you believe this...

Comment by Elmers Brother— 2008/01/24 @ 08:04 AM — (Reply)
Don't be like Rev Jackson and play the race card against someone who's not a racist. I've said nothing hateful whatsoever. The media's just brainwashed you into thinking that anyone who dares oppose anything they have to say is an anti-semetic. That's very sheople-ish - you can think for yourself better than that.

Comment by Dugg— 2008/01/23 @ 05:16 PM — (Reply)
Just calling them as I see them Dugg. Please review your "Zionists" this comments. Your "Jews" control that comment.

I don't see any difference between that and Al Sharpton and Hillary and Bill.

It simply is racially toned. You are a better man than that Dugg.

BG

Comment by Barry G.— 2008/01/23 @ 05:53 PM — (Reply)
I thought jew was their race and faith - calling them a jew can't be racist can it? As far as calling them a zionist - that's like calling you a neocon. That can't be racist can it?
Why if the word Israel or jew comes up and it's not 100% favorable - you're a racist?
It's ridiculous and reverse racism to think that all jews have to be right all the time and that they are all perfect. What other people get this treatment?

Comment by Dugg— 2008/01/23 @ 08:55 PM — (Reply)
this is called a strawman dugg...I've never said such a thing....I would think you'd wish to distance yourself from groups such as Stormfront, David Duke et.al who use the Protocols in a way to further hate

Unless you think this is what Jesus would do?

Comment by Elmers Brother— 2008/01/24 @ 02:51 PM — (Reply)
so if the Protocols are true you still don't think the Jews 'evil'?

Comment by Elmers Brother— 2008/01/24 @ 03:00 PM — (Reply)
it can be either or

one can be a jew ethnically but be an atheist

and one can be a jew and be another race

Comment by Elmers Brother— 2008/01/25 @ 02:56 PM — (Reply)
Jewish Media even blames the Jews

AP and Reuters blame Israel for the Pali's problem

NY Post is critical of Israel

Comment by Elmers Brother— 2008/01/23 @ 05:55 PM — (Reply)
GENERAL ELECTRIC

Television Holdings:
* NBC: includes 13 stations, 28% of US households.
* NBC Network News: The Today Show, Nightly News with Tom Brokaw, Meet the Press, Dateline NBC, NBC News at Sunrise.
* CNBC business television; MSNBC 24-hour cable and Internet news service (co-owned by NBC and Microsoft); Court TV (co-owned with Time Warner), Bravo (50%), A&E (25%), History Channel (25%).

WESTINGHOUSE / CBS INC.
Westinghouse Electric Company, part of the Nuclear Utilities Business Group of British Nuclear Fuels (BNFL)

Frank Carlucci

Television Holdings:
* CBS: includes 14 stations and over 200 affiliates in the US.
* CBS Network News: 60 minutes, 48 hours, CBS Evening News with Dan Rather, CBS Morning News, Up to the Minute.
* Country Music Television, The Nashville Network, 2 regional sports networks.
* Group W Satellite Communications.

VIACOM INTERNATIONAL INC.

Philippe Dauman CEO

Television Holdings:
* Paramount Television, Spelling Television, MTV, VH-1, Showtime, The Movie Channel, UPN (joint owner), Nickelodeon, Comedy Central, Sundance Channel (joint owner), Flix.
* 20 major market US stations.
Media Holdings:
* Paramount Pictures, Paramount Home Video, Blockbuster Video, Famous Players Theatres, Paramount Parks.
* Simon & Schuster Publishing.

DISNEY / ABC / CAP Television Holdings:
* ABC: includes 10 stations, 24% of US households.
* ABC Network News: Prime Time Live, Nightline, 20/20, Good Morning America.
* ESPN, Lifetime Television (50%), as well as minority holdings in A&E, History Channel and E!
* Disney Channel/Disney Television, Touchtone Television.
Media Holdings:
* Miramax, Touchtone Pictures.
* Magazines: Jane, Los Angeles Magazine, W, Discover.
* 3 music labels, 11 major local newspapers.
* Hyperion book publishers.
* Infoseek Internet search engine (43%).

TIME-WARNER TBS - AOL Television Holdings:
* CNN, HBO, Cinemax, TBS Superstation, Turner Network Television, Turner Classic Movies, Warner Brothers Television, Cartoon Network, Sega Channel, TNT, Comedy Central (50%), E! (49%), Court TV (50%).
* Largest owner of cable systems in the US with an estimated 13 million subscribers.
Media Holdings:
* HBO Independent Productions, Warner Home Video, New Line Cinema, Castle Rock, Looney Tunes, Hanna-Barbera.
* Music: Atlantic, Elektra, Rhino, Sire, Warner Bros. Records, EMI, WEA, Sub Pop

NEWS CORPORATION LTD. / FOX NETWORKS (Rupert Murdoch)
Television Holdings:
* Fox Television: includes 22 stations, 50% of US households.
* Fox International: extensive worldwide cable and satellite networks include British Sky Broadcasting (40%); VOX, Germany (49.9%); Canal Fox, Latin America; FOXTEL, Australia (50%); STAR TV, Asia; IskyB, India; Bahasa Programming Ltd., Indonesia (50%); and News Broadcasting, Japan (80%).
* The Golf Channel (33%).
MEDIA HOLDINGS:
* Twentieth Century Fox, Fox Searchlight.
* 132 newspapers (113 in Australia alone) including the New York Post, the London Times and The Australian.
* 25 magazines including TV Guide and The Weekly Standard.
* HarperCollins books.
* Rupert Murdoch: Board of Directors

Comment by Elmers Brother— 2008/01/23 @ 06:09 PM — (Reply)
these are publically traded companies who answer to the shareholders

Comment by Elmers Brother— 2008/01/23 @ 06:09 PM — (Reply)
Here's my theory - and it makes me no more racist against Jews than your theory of Arab terrorist makes you racist against them:

A bunch of crazy zionist are behind 9/11 -

http://www.iamthewitness.com/DarylBradfordSmith_ZionSummary.html

With the help of the traitorous dual citizen Israeli's working at the pentagon and the Israeli controlled media - (see Bush's 935 lies they breathlessly reported ad naseum without ever challenging him) they set us up to fight all of Israel's wars at our expense. We are being duped as the biggest suckers of all time.

Does that mean I hate jews? No way. The average citizen there is just like here or anywhere else. They just want the government to leave them the hell alone and to live in peace.

Comment by Dugg— 2008/01/23 @ 09:03 PM — (Reply)
aren't you implying that they are evil? if our press isn't free and we are just puppets to the Jews?

and you still haven't shown me how the media is controlled by the Jews? Especially when a large percentage of American Jews are liberals, ex commies and are highly critical of Israel?

When the Palestinians are smart enough to use money we send them without lining the pockets of people like Yasser Arafat and actually producing something other than terrorists then we can start looking at reducing our aid to Israel

Comment by Elmers Brother— 2008/01/24 @ 08:10 AM — (Reply)
Standing up to Italian crime gangs is not anti-Italian; standing up to American crime gangs is not anti-American.
So don't be fooled into thinking that standing up to Zionist crime gangs is anti-Semitic!

Comment by Dugg— 2008/01/23 @ 09:14 PM — (Reply)
what jewish crime gangs? the ones who supposedly run our media?

Comment by Elmers Brother— 2008/01/24 @ 08:11 AM — (Reply)
Dog - next page I clicked on without even looking i find this -
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/22/nyregion/22arrest.html?_r=1&em&ex=1201150800&en=bbb59d8572e3caf9&ei=5087%0A&oref=slogin

Mossad agent arrested for anti-semetic hate crimes. They are the masters of false flag, Elmer.

Comment by Dugg— 2008/01/23 @ 09:29 PM — (Reply)
Gaza biggest prison on the planet -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TocjkugWEEc

They are starving the people to death and treating them worse than dogs.

Comment by Dugg— 2008/01/23 @ 09:32 PM — (Reply)
I am watching this conversation closely ... while each makes good points in favor of thier claim some seem to be in need of support ??? The media cant be trusted , the GRUOPS involved cant be trusted because each claims the other was/is responsible for the current crisis...BUT let it be known that each of the participants, spoken of, have lived in this particular region since the begining of time and each are the brothers of the other by the same father ...ABRAHAM ...hahahaa home made crisis ...

Comment by aza spade— 2008/01/24 @ 10:08 AM — (Reply)
Aza, do you believe the media is controlled by Jews?

do you see those protocols? Let's look at the ones Dugg has espoused before:

World government
7 World wars
10 Staging catastrophes against one's own people, then claiming a moral high ground for leverage
11, 12, 17 Curtailment of civil liberties with the excuse of defeating the enemies of peace
13 Creating the impression of the existence of freedom of press, freedom of speech, human rights and democracy, all of which are subsequently undermined and become mere illusions or deceptive smokescreens behind which actual oppression lies
20 Brainwashing
21 Economic depressions
22 Undermining financial systems by foreign loans, creating national bankruptcy, destroying Money Markets and replacing them with government credit institutions
23 Justification of previous acts of evil and expectation of a great new society

the Illuminati and free masonry conspiracies are part and parcel of this as well - this is classic dugg

Comment by Elmers Brother— 2008/01/24 @ 10:39 AM — (Reply)
And just think, elmer, I figured all that out before I even read the protocols.

Comment by Dugg— 2008/01/24 @ 10:52 AM — (Reply)
they were just a confirmation.
Do you think anyone would pay any attention to them if they weren't obviously going on? How can you deny it?

Comment by Dugg— 2008/01/24 @ 10:54 AM — (Reply)
Yeah, your right. The thing of it is - I don't support Arafat or anyone who is a terrorist there. Just the people. I don't support Israel's govt. either - just the people. Israel's govt. just happens to be a lot stronger and influences our lives a lot more than palastenians ever will.

Comment by Dugg— 2008/01/24 @ 10:41 AM — (Reply)
Elmer, just because the word conspiracy comes up doesn't automatically mean it's not true. Many of them are and have been proven a thousand times over - like the fact all the presidents are freemasons.

Comment by Dugg— 2008/01/24 @ 10:51 AM — (Reply)
Why do you think the controlled media has bothered to spin the term conspiracy theorist to = nutcase?

They know if you look too deeply your gonna find out the truth, that's why.

Comment by Dugg— 2008/01/24 @ 11:00 AM — (Reply)
they were just a confirmation.
Do you think anyone would pay any attention to them if they weren't obviously going on? How can you deny it?

besides the fact that they're a hoax...I don't know common sense and logic

Comment by Elmers Brother— 2008/01/24 @ 02:49 PM — (Reply)
You can't prove anything's a hoax just because someone says it is. I say its not. Doesn't prove anything.

If they are a hoax they must have been written by Nostradamus - cos they sure are coming to pass.

Comment by Dugg— 2008/01/24 @ 09:11 PM — (Reply)
it was a plagiarism plain and simple dugg

If one cannot prove it's a hoax then one cannot prove a conspiracy either

Comment by Elmers Brother— 2008/01/25 @ 02:58 PM — (Reply)
Why do you think the controlled media has bothered to spin the term conspiracy theorist to = nutcase?

this as you say is quite obvious

Comment by Elmers Brother— 2008/01/24 @ 02:52 PM — (Reply)
it's sometimes difficult to discern someone who is a sincere supporter of Palestinians from an anti Semite and those who support hate...I'm trying to determine those distinctions

Comment by Elmers Brother— 2008/01/24 @ 03:12 PM — (Reply)
So there was no conspiracy to kill Kennedy?
It's ridiculous to think powerful people don't get together and conspire. Why is that so hard to believe? Just because all the theories aren't true certainly doesn't mean they all aren't.

Comment by Dugg— 2008/01/24 @ 09:15 PM — (Reply)
because they can't conspire to keep my medical records safe at the VA how could they get thousands of people to conspire about something like 9/11

it's Occam's Razor dugg plain and simple

Comment by Elmers Brother— 2008/01/25 @ 02:59 PM — (Reply)
I do BUT ..by the owners...NOT necessarily by a religion like jewish. BUT someone got the money to own these huge organizations like what you ,Elmer, laid out in the above. It is my personal experice that when large sums of money exists ... there too exists the large sums of stupidity. Take for example..a huge steel mill ,somewhere in the northeast, the business is sold...under the previuos owners all is/was well and good. BUT afterwards...new owners ...well just say things were nice before they came to town !!!! .....I'm just sayin ....wheres the heart ??? there isnt any cause money pays the bills ...heart doesnt ...

Comment by aza spade— 2008/01/24 @ 02:57 PM — (Reply)
not sure what you're saying here Aza...could you clarify a bit?

Comment by Elmers Brother— 2008/01/24 @ 03:01 PM — (Reply)
To clarify, While my friend Dugg is so animately concerned about the welfare of this once great land before a politically correct public assertions began, which is another topic altogether. We who were taught from sound biblical teachings.....No not me ..my once great biblical desk reference has been dead and gone a long while ago, Until I saw your vast knowledge, Elmer. BUT I believe without doubt that the stories of revelations (biblical) are first the will of GOD 2nd somehow going to come about into existance...I just dont know how ! and back to my friend Dugg, He knos this too but is the loudest, most animate about how I feel !!! means I dont have to talk so loudly , so often. I can have a rest. ahahahahaaaa GOOD LUCK ..BOTH OF YOU !I will be watching !!!

Comment by aza spade— 2008/01/24 @ 03:19 PM — (Reply)
well Aza I believe God indeed knows the future but I don't know where in the Bible Dugg would justify this one world government coming from the Jews...it seems to me it's coming for the Jews

Comment by Elmers Brother— 2008/01/24 @ 04:34 PM — (Reply)
The jews are like the older brother who gave away their inheritance (thank goodness for us) - It seems pretty obvious to me that they are going to be in the center of everything wordly until they are reconciled with God. As it stands, the vast majority refute Jesus, which the Bible clearly states is the only way into Heaven.

Comment by Dugg— 2008/01/24 @ 04:47 PM — (Reply)
Did you say "COMING FOR THE JEWS" ?

Comment by aza spade— 2008/01/24 @ 04:55 PM — (Reply)
OK, coming for the jews, wouldnt that play into the entire revelations thing about the jews accepting the false phrophet at a time when they give themselves over to the doctrine of the anti christ, who is at a crucial time revealed to be the apostate and makes a swine sacrific at the alter of the rebuilt jewish temple located in Jerusalem ? thusly ending in an apocolyptic error of sudden realisement that they(the jews) have been betrayed ?

Comment by aza spade— 2008/01/24 @ 05:03 PM — (Reply)
for now yes they have rejected Christ as their Messiah but the way I understand revelation is that the jews will recognize Jesus as their messiah and many will be saved...they are still his chosen people

I'm not convinced the media is run by the Jews

Comment by Elmers Brother— 2008/01/24 @ 08:34 PM — (Reply)
and if you could please provide Bible verses and commentary where the Jews are to be part of the dreaded one world government

Comment by Elmers Brother— 2008/01/24 @ 08:36 PM — (Reply)
Bible prophecy tells us a day is coming when a great remnant of them will repent and receive Jesus as their Messiah (Zechariah 12:10). When that happens, God will make them the most exalted nation in the world (Isaiah 60 - 61:5). Jesus will live among them as King of kings (Ezekiel 43:7), and all of God's blessings to the nations will flow through them (Zechariah 8:22-23).

The Jews are also God's prophetic time clock. By this, I mean He often relates major future events to things that will happen to the Jews as a nation. Daniel's prophecy of the 70 weeks of years is a good example. Daniel says to watch for a decree that will allow the rebuilding of Jerusalem. He then states that 483 years after that decree is issued, the Messiah will come and die (Daniel 9:24-26).

In the New Testament, we have another good example. Jesus told His disciples that a day would come when the Jews would be dispersed among all the nations of the world and Jerusalem would be trampled down by the Gentiles. But then He added that when Jerusalem is no longer under Gentile control, He would return (Luke 21:24). Jesus was simply emphasizing a point that is made repeatedly in the Hebrew Scriptures - namely, that when the Jews are restored to their land to the city of Jerusalem, the Messiah will come (Zechariah 12:3, 6, 8-10 and 13:1).

Another reason for the prophetic focus upon the Jews is because God has promised that He will bring a great remnant to salvation during the final years of Daniel's 70 weeks of years. The Bible makes it clear that during the last half of the Tribulation, God will focus the wrath of the Antichrist upon the Jews, bringing them to the end of themselves and motivating them to turn to God in repentance (Zechariah 12:10, Romans 9:27 and 11:25-26).

The idea that the Church replaces Israel is called Replacement theology and is the basis for a lot of anti semitism. I believe it's a heresy.

The idea that God has "washed His hands of the Jews" is thoroughly unbiblical. In Jeremiah 31:36 God says the Jewish people will continue to be "a nation before Me forever." He emphasizes the point by saying they will continue as a special nation of people until the fixed order of the universe ceases, or until all the heavens and ocean depths have been measured (Jeremiah 31:36-37). In Isaiah 49:14-16 God uses a different metaphor to emphasize His devotion to Israel. He says that He has the nation inscribed on the palms of His hands!

There are three chapters in the New Testament that strongly emphasize the continuing love of God for the Jews. These three chapters have been despised and ignored (or spiritualized into meaninglessness) throughout much of Christian history. The chapters are Romans 9-11. In Romans 9:4 Paul writes that God still has covenants with the Jews which He promises to fulfill. He then makes it clear that the Jews who will receive the blessings are a great remnant that will be saved in the end times (Romans 9:27).

Paul even specifically addresses the question of whether or not God has rejected the Jewish people. He asks, "God has not rejected His people has He?" (Romans 11:1). For 1600 years the Church has answered this question with an unqualified, "Yes!" But Paul answers it by saying, "May it never be! . . . God has not rejected His people whom he foreknew" (Romans 11:1-2).

But what about their disobedience? What about their rejection of God as king of their nation and Jesus as king of their hearts? Hasn't their disobedience nullified the promises of God? Again, Paul specifically deals with this issue. He asks, "What then? If some did not believe, their unbelief will not nullify the faithfulness of God, will it?" (Romans 3:3). And again, for centuries the Church as responded, "Yes!" But not Paul. He responds by saying, "May it never be! Rather, let God be found true, though every man be found a liar" (Romans 3:4).

Paul becomes so overwhelmed by the grace of God in never giving up on the Jews, that he finally goes bursts froth with an ecstatic proclamation: "Oh, the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable are His judgments and unfathomable His ways!" (Romans 11:33).

God is not doing one thing for the Jewish people that He is not willing to do for anyone. The Jews, again, are simply a witness of God's desire for all people to come to repentance and be saved (2 Peter 3:9). God does not "wash His hands" of anyone. He pursues and pursues, trying to bring us to the end of ourselves so that we will turn to Him in repentance and be saved. That is exactly what is going to happen to the Jewish remnant at the end of the Tribulation. Here's how the prophet Malachi put it in Malachi 3:2-4 -

Who can endure the day of His coming? And who can stand when He appears? For He is like a refiner's fire and like fullers' soap. And He will sit as a smelter and purifier of silver, and He will purify the sons of Levi and refine them like gold and silver, so that they may present to the Lord offerings in righteousness. Then the offering of Judah and Jerusalem will be pleasing to the Lord, as in the days of old and as in former years.

Comment by Elmers Brother— 2008/01/24 @ 08:44 PM — (Reply)
According to Hal Lindsey the San Hedrans have been chosen and that 6 of the purest bulls for sacrifice are readied somewhere in Texas. Also that the site of the "TEMPLE" has been chosen and after searching for the exact location it was discovered that the location was not as where it was originally thought.

Comment by jim— 2008/01/25 @ 08:29 AM — (Reply)
Everyone would be part of it. One.

Comment by Dugg— 2008/01/24 @ 09:07 PM — (Reply)
They were the chosen people. They were the ones chosen for the Messiah to come from - but they rejected Him and lost their nation. And ever since their nation has returned it has been the center of turmoil.
The chosen people are now the body of the church.

Comment by Dugg— 2008/01/24 @ 08:54 PM — (Reply)
I don't believe God washed his hands of anyone, either. There are christian jews, ya know.

Comment by Dugg— 2008/01/24 @ 08:56 PM — (Reply)
The Anti-Christ will set up shop in Jerusalem, if you believe Revelation. He's not going to come as a terrorist or a monster, right? But a deceiver and angel of light. Don't be fooled, Elmer. What most think is right will surely be wrong!

Comment by Dugg— 2008/01/24 @ 09:02 PM — (Reply)
dugg just because he will be setting up shop in Jerusalem does not make him Jewish...there is no Biblical basis that I am aware of to assume that the anti - Christ will be Jewish

The chosen people are now the body of the church.

Again I'll ask you for a biblical basis for this...

the Jews are still His chosen people (see Bible verses above) This replacement theology is a virulent form of anti semitism

By the Middle Ages, two erroneous concepts had become established Church doctrine: 1) The Jews should be considered “Christ killers” and should be mistreated accordingly. 2) The Church has replaced Israel, and God has no future purpose for the Jews. These concepts were reinforced throughout the Middle Ages through the Crusades, the Inquisition, passion plays, the black plague epidemic, and blood libels. In 1095 Pope Urban II called for a crusade to rid the Holy Land of its Muslim rulers. Although the prime goal of the crusade was to liberate Jerusalem from the Muslims, Jews were a second target. The accumulated hatreds and fears resulting from charges of deicide (the murder of God) exploded with this call to arms. The abbot of Cluny asked why Christians should travel to “the ends of the world to fight the Saracens, when we permit among us other infidels a thousand times more guilty toward Christ than the Mohammedans?” Religious passion, greed, and the vulnerability of Jews led to the rise of violent mobs who murdered thousands of Jews to the cry of “Conversion or death!” This behavior continued for eight additional crusades until the 9th in 1272.

You'll find more here.

Comment by Elmers Brother— 2008/01/25 @ 08:38 AM — (Reply)
Doesn't have to be jewish. But do you think Israel will let some Osama reign from Jerusalem? No - it will be some guy that all the flag wavers think they are patriotically obliged to follow.

Comment by Dugg— 2008/01/25 @ 02:35 PM — (Reply)
The blind leading the blind,both fall into the ditch.Both are victum of the fall of Adam and Eve. All is vanity and vexation under the sun. So enjoy the wife of thy youth . be kind to one another .

Comment by jim— 2008/01/25 @ 02:44 PM — (Reply)
again I ask you for biblical reference

the Muslims believe their messiah will come and create this treaty with the Jews

Comment by Elmers Brother— 2008/01/25 @ 02:55 PM — (Reply)
Just curious....is RP a Freemason?

BG

Comment by Barry G.— 2008/01/24 @ 05:30 PM — (Reply)
Probably not or he'd be leading in the polls.

Comment by Dugg— 2008/01/24 @ 06:12 PM — (Reply)
George Washington
James Monroe
Andrew Jackson
James Polk
James Buchanan
Andrew Johnson
James Garfield
William McKinley
Theodore Roosevelt
Howard Taft
Warren Harding
Franklin Roosevelt
Harry Truman
Gerald Ford

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Abraham Lincoln was not a Freemason. He did apply for membership in Tyrian Lodge, Springfield, Ill., shortly after his nomination for the presidency in 1860 but withdrew the application because he felt that his applying for membership at that time might be construed as a political ruse to obtain votes. He advised the lodge that he would resubmit his application again when he returned from the presidency.
Lincoln never returned. On the death of the president, Tyrian Lodge adopted, on April 17, 1865, a resolution to say "that the decision of President Lincoln to postpone his application for the honours of Freemasonry, lest his motives be misconstrued, is the highest degree honorable to his memory."

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Lyndon Johnson received his first degree on October 30, 1937. After receiving the degree he found that his congressional duties (elected in 1937) took so much time he was unable to pursue the masonic degrees.

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Ronald Reagan has often been referred to as a Freemason. President Reagan is not a Freemason although he is an honorary member of the Imperial Council of the Shrine. President Reagan has on numerous occasions been involved in Shrine and masonic functions throughout his career.

The confusion as to his membership arises from a ceremony held in the Oval Office of the White House on February 11th, 1988, when a group of Freemasons presented President Reagan with a certificate of honor from the Grand Lodge of Washington, D.C., then he was made an Honourary Scottish Rite mason. The title of Freemason can only be conferred by a Grand Lodge of Ancient Free and Accepted Masons. In Reagan's case this was not done, probably because the ceremonies would have taken a full day to confer and the president's time was limited; therefore,President Reagan should only be referred to as a Shriner or Scottish Rite mason. The Shrine and Scottish Rite are concordant bodies and cannot confer the title Freemason on any person.

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George Bush has also on numerous occasions been referred to as a Freemason.The confusion as to President Bush being a member arises from the swearing in ceremonies at his inauguration. President Bush took his oath of office on the George Washington Bible which belongs to St. Johns Lodge in New York City. Because the Bible belonged to a Masonic Lodge many writers assumed he was a Freemason. The Bible was used at the request of the Joint Congressional Committee on Inaugural Ceremonies

This Bible was first used on April 30, 1789, by the Grand Master of the Masons in New York, to administer the oath of office to George Washington, the first president. Other presidents who took their oath of office with this Bible are Warren G. Harding, Dwight D. Eisenhower and Jimmy Carter.

http://mastermason.com/wilmettepark/pres.html

Comment by Dr. Phil— 2008/01/24 @ 06:56 PM — (Reply)
Yeah, Bush is just CFR, Bilderburg and Skull and Bones.

Comment by Dugg— 2008/01/24 @ 08:59 PM — (Reply)
Dugg: "all the presidents are freemasons"

Fact: not accurate see above list.

Rebuttal Dugg?

BG

Comment by Barry G.— 2008/01/25 @ 04:16 AM — (Reply)
I knew they weren't all - I should have said the majority. I don't believe the above list is complete. Sure I could find another list later on tonight if you insist.

Comment by Dugg— 2008/01/25 @ 02:31 PM — (Reply)
and if there were some that were masons there is still no connection to this vast 'conspiracy'

Comment by Elmers Brother— 2008/01/25 @ 03:00 PM — (Reply)
I've heard of this replacement theology also. It is a basic brainwash I believe.

Comment by aza spade— 2008/01/25 @ 10:11 AM — (Reply)
Anyway..the point is the end is coming and we dont know just how .. just yet ..BUT somethings should be obvious as we all speed into the future of the world. TRADITIOALLY ..the world is not a nice place to live ! Its past is checked with periods of great violence and dasterly deeds (done dirt cheap) ...pardon wa .. huge amounts of BLOOD spilled in the name of ...everything under the son. So I expect nothing less of all humans alive or alive yet to come. So as these things come a question arises ...Do we accept the things as is ? or do we resist and postpone the enevitable ? Some would proclaim resist...to the very end ...I rememberCchrist told Peter to get thy behind me when peter wanted to stop the procession of GODS plan ....I'm just sayin...he would not be detered....and his (Christ) proceeded to fullfil gods will and become the lamb who takes away the sins of the world. BUT ....we resist the procession into PARADISE as an end would provide...so should we all hurry up the process ?????

Comment by aza spade— 2008/01/25 @ 10:25 AM — (Reply)
If you are well established in your relationship with Christ then you know he has the whole world in his hands and there is nothing to worry about at all !!!! so should we launch all nukes today or ....tomarrow ?????

Comment by aza spade— 2008/01/25 @ 10:29 AM — (Reply)
no Aza it's not the point...since Christ ascended to Heaven they thought He was returning soon....and yes keeping a short account with God is important because we don't know the time nor the place

but should we also ignore the world just because we got "ours"? This is what I hear you saying.

I believe the point is not some nihilistic "it's gonna happen and you can't stop it" mentality

people are suffering and people need the Lord

Comment by Elmers Brother— 2008/01/25 @ 03:04 PM — (Reply)
also the Replacement theologians don't believe that the end is as near as many other Christians because they don't view the secular government of Israel as fulfilling the prophecy that Israel must become a nation again

it's quite contradictory on the one hand to say that the end is near and believe in this theology

Comment by Elmers Brother— 2008/01/25 @ 03:23 PM — (Reply)
Jesus said that the generation that saw Israel return to their homeland would surely see his return. Israel reformed 194(?) took back Jurusalem in 1967... Different theologians have a different answer n the length of a Biblical generation - but however you slice it - - - - - - - it ain't far.

Comment by Dugg— 2008/01/25 @ 04:26 PM — (Reply)
then why do you embrace the replacement theology? biblical justification?

Comment by Elmers Brother— 2008/01/25 @ 04:48 PM — (Reply)
Exactly, Aza.

Comment by Dugg— 2008/01/25 @ 02:33 PM — (Reply)
perhaps its time for America to "BOW OUT" and let the rest of the world turn to the Lord on thier own prompting or thier own recourse. let them fiqure out on thier own that thier "BAAL" doesnt get thier fire lit .

Comment by aza spade— 2008/01/25 @ 03:19 PM — (Reply)
just how will leaving people hurting help them AZA? How will they see Christ if not in us? and besides nature doesn't like a vacuum...as soon as we leave someone or something else would take our place (when I say our I mean Christians)

Comment by Elmers Brother— 2008/01/25 @ 03:21 PM — (Reply)
I.E. father and mother attempt to raise "BABY" in the way of the lord...teaching him that these teachings will suffice for life. "BABY" is rebellious and defies instruction .... years pass as "BABY" finds that life is just as described by mother and father. "BABY" has epheny that mother and father was correct. "BABY" makes adjustments that reflect lesson learned.... NOW no more suffering...no more rebellion...learned from experience and being left alone to fiqure it out .....

Comment by aza spade— 2008/01/25 @ 04:08 PM — (Reply)
baby rebels not mother and father

Comment by Elmers Brother— 2008/01/25 @ 04:47 PM — (Reply)
"BABY" represents entire 3rd world ....

Comment by aza spade— 2008/01/25 @ 05:43 PM — (Reply)
AND ..has been allowed to "RUN AHEAD" of mother and father....only to discover that things dont work out as thought....needs help...turns to "FALSE RELIGIONS" of the rest of the world for guidance and finds that they were not as helpfull as "GOOD OLE U.S.A." whose religion is that of old/new testament of Christ. hummmmmm something that does work but is heated amoung nations for its namesake .....hummmm sounds like a life lesson just waiting to be explorered....

Comment by aza spade— 2008/01/25 @ 05:47 PM — (Reply)
but it's not biblical Aza we're supposed to go into all the world Acts 2

politically speaking is certainly open to discussion

Comment by Elmers Brother— 2008/01/25 @ 07:34 PM — (Reply)
parable of the talents...

Speak freely while you can.

Comment by — 2008/01/27 @ 03:22 AM — (Reply)
The parable of the talents does not negate God's promise to Israel nor justify Replacement Theology.

Matthew, in Chapters 24-25, records the Lord’s heart of compassion and love mingled with unwavering holiness. This section of Scripture, including the Parable of the Talents, constitutes final warnings, prophecies, and encouragements to His people Israel prior to His departure. He, who is their Lord, is leaving for an undisclosed period of time. He is delegating to them the responsibility, as stewards, to care for His kingdom. The Parable of the Talents, Matthew 25:14-30, impresses on them the weight of that responsibility and the serious consequences of neglecting to understand and apply His instructions. There is also a message to all mankind.

If the talents are talents of gold, the value of what the master entrusted to the stewards would be immensely high, in the millions of dollars. Since the Lord uses only the term "talents" we must make some assumptions, but is seems reasonable to assume that the owner of the talents, the man traveling into a far country, was a wealthy man. He is entrusting his wealth to three men who become stewards of his money. One receives five talents. Another receives two talents. A third steward receives one talent. Each is given a significant amount of money. These are stewards entrusted with the care of the money. The stewards must know the personality and character of their Lord. He expects them to know Him well enough to apply the spirit as well as the letter of His instructions. Those that do are richly rewarded. The others receive severe judgment. The amount given is based on each steward’s ability. The first two understand the spirit and letter of instructions and the character of their Lord. They both use the resources by "trading" to gain a profit. Each of them makes a 100% profit. Fear and mistrust of his Lord motivate the third steward. He buries the money in the earth and returns the original amount. The profitable stewards are praised, given increased responsibilities and invited to enter into the joy of their Lord. The untrusting steward is scolded, rejected, and punished.

The application of this parable must be understood within the context of the message of Matthew 24-25. It is first a message to the people of Israel that will live in the last days before the Lord returns. The statement, in Matthew 24:13, "But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved" is a key statement. This is the believing remnant that will receive the promise of the kingdom. In Matthew 24:32-34, the Lord stated, "Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh: So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors. Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled." These will be alive when He returns and will have understood and believed their Lord. The application to the people of Israel is graphic and relevant. Those that believe Him will be rewarded in His kingdom. The basis of the reward will be their stewardship of His resources entrusted to them. Those who fear and do not believe will be rejected and judged.

There is also a universal application to all mankind. From the time of the creation of mankind, each individual has been entrusted with resources of time and material wealth. Everything we have comes from God and belongs to Him. We are responsible for using those resources so that they increase in value. As Christians, we have additionally the most valuable resource of all – the Word of God. If we believe and understand Him, and apply His Word as good stewards, we are a blessing to others and the value of what we do multiplies. We are accountable to the Lord for the use of His resources.

Comment by Elmers Brother— 2008/01/27 @ 07:29 AM — (Reply)
I didn't give up, Elmer - I can refute you 1000 times over - just anything I use to back myself up - you'll discredit as unreliable for not being part of the zionist controlled media. catch 22. You can't prove anything when they silence every dissent as a racist.
I could pull the same thing in reverse and say all your sources were biased and controlled.

Comment by Dugg— 2008/01/29 @ 04:08 PM — (Reply)
but dugg you must have biblical proof certainly if you believe in this vast "Jewish" conspiracy there must be something other than what Alex Jones says

Comment by Elmers Brother— 2008/01/29 @ 04:54 PM — (Reply)
It is bad enough when a group representing less than three percent of the American population - and many of whose members have a self-proclaimed first loyalty to a foreign nation - should be in control of so many of America's cultural, financial and governmental institutions. But it is positively insulting for them to deny their influence and power - particularly when they themselves are continually boasting in their own circles about their "overrepresentation" in these fields. And it is absolutely infuriating when this denial reaches the point that non-Jews are attacked by Jewish agitators and Zionist zealots for stating obvious facts and truth.

Most Americans have always been suspicious of too much power in too few hands. That's what the Constitution is all about. And that is why we have never trusted elitist groups which have tried to dictate to us. So, if we don't trust the old-line establishment, the old elite, why should we not be suspicious of the new elite -the Jewish establishment - and its excessive power in America.

NAME COMPANY

RICHARD BERNSTEIN jew Western Publishing. childrens books

STUART BLOOMBERG jew ABC Head of Entertainment Division.

PETER CHERNIN jew 20th Century Fox. dec. 1992 new CEO

MARTIN S. DAVIS jew Paramount Comm. CEO

BARRY DILLER jew 20th Century Fox. CEO

MICHAEL D. EISNER jew WALT DISNEY Co.

STEVEN FRIEDMAN jew NBC Executive Producer Nightly News. Hired may 1990 under G.E. (gentile) owned NBC.

LEONARD HARRY GOLDENSON jew ABC (Capital Cities ABC TV) (upto 1985. Thomas Murphy now CEO but with same Jewish management)

KATHERINE MEYER GRAHAM jew Newsweek, Washington Post. Daughter of Eugene Meyer.

PETER GUBER jew Columbia Pictures. 1989. Bought by SONY, Guber replaced Kaufman as CEO.

PETER KALIKOW jew New York Post. Real estate devloper.

PETER R. KANN jew Dow Jones, Wall St Journal, Barrons

VICTOR A. KAUFMAN jew Columbia Pictures. CEO

CHARLES KOPPELMAN jew EMI Records CEO

GARY HERSH jew Capitol Records CEO

GERALD LEVIN jew TIME/WARNER Comm. CO-CEO
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ROBERT MAXWELL aka Ludvik Hoch jew. Daily News.

RONNESSEN jew MBS. Mutual Broadcasting SYS.

SAMUEL NEWHOUSE russian jew Random House, Advanced Publications, Newhouse Broadcasting, (CTV), New Yorker Vogue, Mademoiselle, Glamour, Vanity Fair, HQ, Bride's, Gentleman's Quarterly, Self, House & Garden. Newspapers & mags.

MICHAEL OVITZ jew Media magnate.

WILLIAM S. PALEY russian jew CBS CEO & founder of CBS. 1927. 1983 Partially retired.

SUMNER M. REDSTONE jew Viacom MTV Nickelodeon QVC. CEO.

STEVEN J. ROSS jew TIME/WARNER Comm. CEO.

JEFF SAGANSKY russian jew CBS Head Entertainment Division.

DAVID SARNOFF russian jew RCA NBC head entertainment div.

ROBERT SARNOFF russian jew RCA NBC CEO (son of D. Sarnoff). RCA and NBC were bought by G.E. in 1986 but Jewish management still exists.

MICHAEL P. SCHULHOF jew SONY. Vice chairman.

RICHARD SNYDER jew Simon & Schuster.

LEONARD STERN jew VILLAGE VOICE. HARTZ pets supply.

ROBERT STRAUSS jew Large investor, President Bush's Moscow ambassador.

ARTHUR OCHS SULZBERGER jew New York Times, family circle. McCall's, M. Frankel, J. Lelyveld, J. Rosenthal - all Jews.

BRANDON TARTIKOFF russian jew Paramount pictures. Chairman.

LAWRENCE A. TISCH russian jew CBS CEO TV, theaters, hotels, insurance. (Before him was 1928 William S. Paley son of russian jews. Retired 1983.)

LEW WASSERMAN jew MCA Inc. CEO. 1991. Bought by SONY. but Wasserman still is CEO.

MORTIMER ZUCKERMAN jew US News and World Report, DAILY NEWS. New ceo.

Just a very partial list. Clearly your right, Elmer, it's the Indonesians who control the media. I don't point any of this out tobe hateful - just show the obvious truth. You think these people aren't printing news that suits Israel's agenda and your kidding yourself. If you were a journalist, Elmer, in say, Syria - would you slide in pro American cviewpoint at every opportunity? Of course you would. And if you were making movies in say India, would the themes be pro western or pro muslim? Same thing the networks are doing to us now.

Comment by Dugg— 2008/01/29 @ 04:26 PM — (Reply)

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